Quantum Human Design is a new and transformed Human Design language that is more expansive, empowering, expressive and comes with a more comprehensive understanding. It’s been deliberately engineered and upgraded the HD vocabulary to a powerful, positive, higher vibrational frequency of energy to help you fully activate your potential. In this week’s episode, we have Rosy Aronson, PhD, with many years of experience and training in Gene Keys and Human Design.
- The first time Rosy Aronson encountered human design. [03:35]
- Building a solid foundation in human design. [06:00]
- How to follow your inner authority. [12:20]
- Embracing archetypes as a healing tool through wisdom keeper series. [15:18]
- Celebration of diversity in human design. [19:00]
- The biggest gift that human design brings to people. [23:40]
Rosy Aronson, Ph.D., is a Blossoming Expert, Artist and Creativity Coach, and a visionary in the field of heart-centered & surrendered leadership. After studying psychology and social change in Ann Arbor during the late 80’s, Rosy trained and worked as a visual artist, breathworker and transpersonal arts therapist in Europe, where she co-founded the Copenhagen Center for Water Rebirthing and led creativity and women’s empowerment workshops. Since returning to the States, Rosy has helped counselors, moms, artists and entrepreneurs find authentic and empowering ways to honor their big hearts, embrace their unique gifts and synthesize their eclectic visions — without getting lost in doubt, self-sacrifice and conditioning paralysis.
Rosy Aronson has a Masters in Expressive Arts therapy and a Doctorate in Intuitive Listening & the Creative Arts. She is a registered Drama Therapist, an ordained (non-denominational) minister, as well as an experienced Human Design and Gene Keys counselor. Rosy has worked as an illustrator, ritual crafter and creativity event facilitator for groups and organizations. She is also the author and illustrator of A Tale of Serendipity – an unfolding tale for the open-hearted child in each of us, and a call for global change that is driven by love and not politics.
Rosy proudly stands outside the yang-driven paradigms for success that permeate our culture. She is an avid permission-giver, pressure-dissolver and embracer of the unknown. She firmly believes that we are literally designed to blossom, and that the more each of us radically trusts, honors and expresses our true nature, the more magic we can create together.
Hi everybody. I’m Karen Curry Parker, welcome to the understanding human design podcast. I am so excited today to have somebody who I have actually been kind of stalking for years as my guest on our podcast. Rosy Aronson is here. She is an artist, author and blossoming guide with a masters in expressive art therapy, adaptor in intuitive listening, and the creative arts, an avid permission giver, which is like a fabulous, fabulous title. I love that. Pressured dissolver and embrace her of the unknown. Rosy believes that we’re literally designed to blossom and the more each of us radically trusts honors and expresses our true nature, the more magic we create together, she is the creator of the 64 Faces of Awakening. Many of you who are students of human design will recognize her The Wisdom Keepers Oracle Deck: A 65-Card Deck and Guidebook, of course, from the human design. She has also created the Wisdom Keepers Inner Guide Book, the 64 Phases of Awakening coloring book and The Wisdom Wheel of integrity course, and workbook to help you reflect essential healing, archetypes that lie at the foundation of our universe, and at the foundation of your personal narrative. So, Rosy I’m, we’ve had the great pleasure of chatting a little bit before we get started. It’s been like, you know, best friend, girlfriend time and I love it. I am just really, you know, so excited to share you with anyone who maybe has never heard of your work before, and hopefully give those people who have literally seen the beauty of your work and the beauty of your cards. I know you’ve got a copy of your book over there. So, I’m going to ask you to show everybody I’m going to share with us the story of how you came up with this understanding of the archetypes and how they work.
Oh my gosh. Well, can I just say thank you for inviting me into this conversation and thank you for the incredible service that you have been doing for so many years. I am a mutual stalker. I just think you’re phenomenal and I can’t believe you do everything you do with eight children and dogs. I just learned you have dogs and I can imagine so it’s really a pleasure to be here, thank you for that introduction. So, so your question was just, how did I end up, are you mostly interested in kind of how the risks?
Well, let’s, let’s start at the very beginning because, I think I find that anyone who has a history of working with human design, especially usually has a very interesting story of how they human designer. I was like to say how human design found you. So, tell us your story about how you first got intrigued with human design and connect it to human design.
Okay. Okay. So, the first time I encountered human design, I was in the living room of a dear friend of mine in San Francisco. She was also a student at the California Institute of Integral Studies together with me. We were both studying expressive arts therapy and we both had little babies. So, I was hanging out in her living room and I saw this chart on her table. It seemed kind of mechanical and weird. I tend to be kind of a juicy, colorful, a little psychedelic type, lots of primal screaming and big paintings. There was something about the chart that wasn’t a total match aesthetically with my soulful explorations up until then, but it just grabbed me like when she started telling, I’m like, “What is this? Tell me a little bit about this.”
She started talking a little bit about the intersection between openness and definition and, you know, a freewill versus surrender. I don’t know. It was just this whole thing. I have got to learn more about that. So, I asked her, you know, “Do you get a reading?” She said, “Yeah, yeah, this woman, this wonderful woman gave me a reading. You might as well give her a call.” I got this reading who did a very good job, very solid introduction to my design. And that was like, that was it because, you know, I had been working in the therapy, like the psychotherapy world for many years and studying in many different ways. I loved how surprised I was about what I learned about myself. I loved it. I like to be blown away. I like people to tell me things like, “Oh, that’s I never knew that about myself.” That was one of the biggest things that drew me in. And then, of course, I had to get my husband’s chart, I had to get my daughter’s chart, and the next thing, you know, also, cause I’m kind of sacral splenic, so I’m very spontaneous and intuitive in my approach. I just gathered everybody’s birthday. And then, I just started going to town and actually giving readings with absolutely no qualifications whatsoever.
Just like just, you know, just channeling basically. I’m noticing that people were really resonating. I thought, “Okay, I better learn this. I better take this more seriously.” I had some therapeutic background. I had a sense of how to honor people’s sovereignty and not be too boundary invasive and holding it lightly and stuff. But anyway, so then I went to Jovian archive and I did the full analyst training. I want to give you a personal shout out because I remember, first of all, I, I enjoyed it very much because it gave me a very solid foundation in human design. I want to say it was an article I read of yours that you had written about generators and the river, like crossing the river, going from Riverstone to Riverstone or river rock to river rock. And then, Richard Rod’s writing that, that touched my heart. I found that the analyst training was so empowering for people. It was so practical and empowering, but you and Richard Rod reached me at a much deeper place. That happened very early on and I just wanted to acknowledge you for that. I think you planted a seed in me that there was permission to take this knowledge and let it pour through my own vessel and come out with a unique voice that maybe was more embracing of the feminine or maybe embracing of the creative process. Maybe not necessarily like saying all therapy is the worst thing you could possibly do or that attachment parenting is the worst thing that one could possibly do. Right? So, that’s like a whole other conversation there. But anyway, so I did the whole trading and then it came time to sign the contract.
I remember I was told that to sign the contract, I had to kind of commit to only presenting human design in its purest form and not integrate it with other things, which is just not me. I just never learned anything and not folded it into something else that I knew. I’m just like I do. I synthesize that’s all. That’s what I do. Anyway, I decided not to become an official analyst and it was a sad moment for me because I love the community. I love my teachers. I felt I had something unique and different to offer the community. I really do believe like we were talking about before you press record that human design is asking all of us to evolve it together through our unique prisons. This is this incredible mosaic potential and we’re all carrying the seed for our own contribution. It was a big loss for me to feel like I wasn’t able to stay connected to that community, but it also did free me because then I was able to just, Well, okay, I’m kind of on my own. So, I’m going to do my own thing with it.”
Oh my God, I could go in so many different directions, but I can say that I started giving a lot of readings and then I start, this is the other thing, like, I’m never good at like repeating myself. Like if I said it once, I’m like kind of done with it, unless I’m really digesting and integrating it. So, after a while and also because my background isn’t psychotherapy, like the juicy part is when is where we get stuck, where things get a little complicated, where we have to do some refining work, and the pressure of having to like give someone a reading that they can take with them that is going to do justice to their nature that’s going to answer their questions, that’s going to empower them to take this in a good way and, you know, incorporate into their life. It was too much pressure for me. I started to just kind of say, “Well, if you want to work with me, I’ll do a reading, but we have to have an introductory session where I get to know you. I get to know what’s happening in your life. What do you care about? What do you want to know about? Where are you struggling?” Then, I could give the reading, keeping that in mind, and then we would have follow-up sessions. So, that’s where the exciting stuff is for me, like where we know where all that refinement is. Even that became a little bit, like I started to kind of feel like, “Okay, I’ve been doing this for a really long time. I think I want to start reaching more people.” That’s when I created the design to blossom course, which is now also a book. That’s where I really consciously incorporated human design with the gene keys, which I had been exploring ever since. It started coming out with the expressive arts, transpersonal psychology, and humanistic psychology.
I think that, you know, I drew people to me who loved human design, but maybe felt it was being presented in kind of a rigid way or where people were getting a little stuck in that label identification. People who were interested in finding ways to kind of integrate the human design system with the gene keys, which in some ways seem to be paradoxical, but their siblings, their cousins, and they’re also supplementary. Yeah. Then, other things happened after that.
I love your story because, you know, I studied with RA late 1999-2000 in Sedona, was a certified analyst with Jovian and also chose at a certain point to leave for very similar reasons. At the time it, I really love and appreciate Jovian. I still go to Jovian oftentimes because I think there is an important place in the community for people to hold, first of all, the purity of the original teachings and the mechanics of it, because there is a certain mechanics that needs to be, it’s kind of like if you’re going to go do scientific research, you’ve got to understand the basics of like how the molecules interact with each other under certain catalytic conditions, right? So, you need to have that strong foundation in those mechanical pieces. And there’s an irony to me in the system. It’s a system that teaches you to follow your own inner authority, yet it’s a pedagogy. So, how do you work within a pedagogy and you have your own authority? It was a very painful for me, same thing, a very painful extrication out of the community to say, “I can’t shut down these other parts of myself, these other experiences of my own inner knowingness. You know, I have the channel one eight, which to me gives me a lot of knowingness about this is what I’m going to say.” I couldn’t deny that part of myself and force myself to follow a system that wasn’t inclusive enough for me personally. I think that there’s such a great opportunity, particularly as we’re in this, I think on the cusp of this evolution that, or this revolution, maybe that is inclusive in every way that this whole binary republican democrat masks, no mask, this, whatever that, whatever, you know, if you go to Facebook, it’s so everything, I look at these like this, that this, that, this, that, and I’m thinking, this is all just deck chairs being moved around on the boat.
The boats does the same boat, but it’s moving forward. So, we need to figure out what are we going to do? I think this time is so fundamental in the human design community for all of us to start looking at how can we bring in the most amount of light and support everyone who’s looking for answers, how they can find their path. And for many of them, I think many of my students have studied with Jovian, have studied with Richard, have studied with Kim Gould, with you, even with Zeno when Zeno was alive. You know, they’d go everywhere because they know there’s something in this that has a truth to it that they resonate and feel, but they also know, “Hey, I’ve got to find my way.” And I think you do such a beautiful job of integrating this in such a harmonious this way, that allows people to kind of drop into it and go, “Okay, I’m going to craft my own path.”
I think a lot of people feel, and maybe it’s because I personally believe that because my, a lot of the bulk of my research comes from trauma, maybe because I think that most people, people are traumatized that I would say 98% of people on the planet are traumatized. That deconditioning is much more complex than just following strategies. Sometimes, you really have deep epigenetic pains. Sometimes, it’s not even your own pain, it’s pain that you’re carrying on an ancestral lineage that has to get cleared out of the design crystal on a physical level for you to be able to really integrate your sole purpose and your life of purpose. Yeah. So, which brings me to my next conversation with you. You somehow in this journey really began to embrace archetypes as a healing tool and doing that through your wisdom keepers series. Tell me a little bit about how you landed on the wisdom keepers.
Okay. I will do my best. I will say that I’ve had a love of archetypical explorations for many years before that. I first expressive arts therapy education in Denmark. That was always a big part of my life. I also wrote a children’s book which is actually the prelude to a longer tale, which is totally archetypal. Interestingly, it’s about seven seals, every wrote it in the early nineties. It’s way before I do about, about the gene keys. This is kind of, I’ve always been drawn to architectural exploration. Just want to preface that when I did this project, it was not a project at all. It was, it was me. I ran, I ran a very full counseling practice. I was involved in a million different community activities, and I was really despairing over what was happening in the world. These divisions that you’re talking about, which is, you know, I mean, they’re really amplified right now, but this has been going on for quite some time. I needed something to do to take care of my little heart. It’s been so long since I’d really been engaged in art, like any kind of creative arts process. My husband and my daughter said, “Come with us, we’re taking you to the art store, just get something that doesn’t make a mess that you could do in between clients that you know, that you don’t have to have a giant canvas or whatever.” I got a pad of paper and a black marker and I just started doodling. That’s how it started. And then the next doodle, I thought, “God, what would happen if I put the outline of a face and doodled inside of it?”
She was the first one who came through and there was something so healing for me, like both about the relaxing, my nervous system and engaging in this very like deep meditative process. But also the, the eye contact with this, with this being who I felt had kind of arrived at a place of trust and relaxation and compassion that I long to arrive at. I’m like, “God, who else wants to come?” And then came the next one and then came the next one and I’d get these intuitive hits like, “Oh, this next one is from Africa.” I don’t know what it is.
Sometimes, when I would be communing with them or drawing them, I’d get like a hit on their story, like how they came to their wisdom, how they came to embody the archetype. It was always through some kind of trauma or suffering, which I think is the case for most of us. I just kept pouring through just one after the other. At some point I’m like, well God, “How many am I going to do?” And then came the thought, “Well, why not 64?” It was only towards the end that I started more consciously to start to think about archetypes and where they might fit inside of the matrix. It wasn’t until after I completed all of them that I started bringing in their stories. So, I channeled the stories. And again, this diversity, this is a celebration of diversity. What I love about art is you can, you can have 64 completely different humans with completely different life experiences and they all can fit into one little box.
Right. Right. Exactly. It can hold paradox. It holds paradox. Right. So anyway, as I was completing the stories, I thought, “Well, maybe I need to share this with the world in some way. What if I made a deck that people could play with?” That’s when I started to more consciously integrate the gene keys and human design, also in terms of the spectrum of consciousness, like the shadow, the gift, the city terminology, you know, what this archetype looks like when it’s coming from a place of fear, what it looks like when it’s coming from a place of service and what it looks like when it dissolves into the all. And so, yeah. I did the deck and at first it was a black and white deck. I felt like I wanted to color it. And then, it became a coloring deck and then came a coloring book out of it because other people might want to color it too. And then it kept evolving and still finding new ways of expressing itself. It feels like a baby I gave birth to that’s guiding me.
Beautiful. Beautiful. I love this story. I didn’t know the story before and now it’s like better. That’s awesome. That’s awesome. So, can you show us the cover of your book? And you said you pulled the card before we did our interview, right?
Yeah. This is the paperback version of the book, but inside of the deck, there’s the little mini version. It’s the same book, but it’s fits inside the deck. This is for people like me who like need bigger letters. I picked a card for us. I didn’t look, you know, and I asked, you know, what do I need also? Because I tend to get a little nervous in these situations and I have so much respect for you, Karen. And this is the first time we’re meeting. So, I’m like, “Oh my God, I’m talking to the goddess of human design.”
I got the card of naturalness.
Uh, I love that.
Yeah. Which was so good because it’s really about inviting all of us to just relax in our own skin and trust that there’s a place for all of us. You know, we’re not all supposed to be stars in all the different way. You know what I mean? We all come with our unique offerings, passion, shadows, traumas, and lessons. So, that was really helpful for me to choose the wisdom keeper of naturalness.
I love that. I love that. And I love that you are here being your natural self and sharing yourself so beautifully with this. Thank you. So, you’re going to be speaking this September, September. I have to get the dates right. I’m so temporarily challenged. The 11th through the 13th. Is that right?
Yeah. My birthday is the 12th. Oh, yay.
That’s so awesome. All right, perfect. So we will be, you will be speaking December 11th through the 13th at our international human design conference where we’re going to be featuring, we keep jokingly call it the women of human design, but it’s actually not a joke. It is actually the women of human design. You’re going to be speaking a couple of times about archetypes and wisdom keepers, how to use your cards and your archetypes, and all of the integrated wisdom that you have to share with us. I’m super excited to have you there giving an in-depth exploration of the work that you do. So, it’s going to be an incredible treat for people who are going to be there.
Karen, it’s a real honor for me to be included, really. I really appreciate it.
Well, it’s time. It’s definitely time. So, and like I said, all of my students love your stuff and use it all the time. So, I’m eager to share in greater depth, have you share in greater depth, your wisdom and what you have brought forward. So, thank you so much. Is there, you know, I always like to ask before I end my interviews, you know, this question is a question I ask a lot. The question is, what do you think is the biggest gift that human design brings to people? Or I’m calling you from design sort of as an umbrella for all of this. This is all human design and all of its cousins and it’s all of them. Well, the whole family.
The first word that came to me was liberation. That was the word that came to me. I guess I was thinking about, you know, when I did the design to blossom program and I started to weave it together with the wisdom keeper theme, it was really about liberating the inner wisdom keeper. Like it feels to me and liberation from our conditioning, liberation from our self judgments, liberation from the thought that we’re supposed to be anything other than who we are and its purity, I feel it’s, it’s permission to play with life even to engage playfully with some of the most painful aspects of life. In a way, ultimately, it’s here to liberate us from human design.
I mean, it’s like what they say about, you know, the Buddha, what do you get? You take a raft to take you from one side of the river to the other, and then you don’t need the raft anymore. Then, you let it go. You move from that sort of unconscious incompetence to unconscious competence. There’s something about freedom. Compassion and honoring of each other. We all get to be different. And yet we’re all so deeply connected. And the more we honor who we are, the more naturally we find ways to connect with each other and co-create together because I do believe we’re moving in that direction of co-creation of really like being group entities that are like moving through time and space together and, bringing the new world forward. And so, there is that, that connection between true individuation connects us. Yes, that’s so important. I know that that’s a message that you share a lot and I just feel so strongly about that. I don’t know. Am I answering your question? Because I could go.
We could be here for hours. Just this conversation for sure. So beautiful. I love that. That’s a great, a great leaping off point. So, Rosy, what is your website? So people can find you and learn more about your work.
Sure. It is wisdomkeepers.net. Okay. Go check out. Rosy’s work, go check out all of her cards for books, workbooks, or courses. Join us for our international human design conference. Rosy’s going to post the link for you to look at if you’re watching this on Rosy’s page. If you’re watching this on our podcast, our link is humandesignstore.com. So, come check it out, come sign up and get ready. We’ve got all kinds of great opportunities for you. We even have presentations happening in Spanish, in French, in German. We’re going to be really international for sure.
Rosy, what an honor. Now I’m feeling a lot more sad that we’re not in person this year, but next year we’re going to be in person and we’re going to hang out for days before conference. I feel like you are such a beautiful soul sister. So, thank you for gracing me personally, with your presence and for being here and sharing your wisdom and your wisdom keepers with our listeners, wisdomkeepers.net. You guys. So, thank you. Bye.
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